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barack obama won, so they liked hillary clinton. if hillary clinton had won in 2008, you would hear lots of republicans saying none of this would have happened if barack obama had won instead. if hillary clinton is the nominee in 2016, this will be an election decided by three or four percentage points. >> right. it always tightens. something happened last night. i'm curious about the other side since you're talking about 2008. marco rubio and paul ryan spoke at this dinner. these are speeches where they're trying to define who they are. how would a rubio ryan stack up against clinton? it sort of feels like 2008 reversed except experience would come on the democratic side with hillary and youth might come from arurubio or ryan on the republican side. >> clinton is a favorite among young people, especially young women. they're going to help determine future elections. i think paul ryan and marco rubio, they're trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and perhaps big ideas and a larger goal
barack obama won, so they liked hillary clinton. if hillary clinton had won in 2008, you would hear lots of republicans saying none of this would have happened if barack obama had won instead. if hillary clinton is the nominee in 2016, this will be an election decided by three or four percentage points. >> right. it always tightens. something happened last night. i'm curious about the other side since you're talking about 2008. marco rubio and paul ryan spoke at this dinner. these are...
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they'd have to go to the obama exchanges and with low incomes and get subsidies there to buy private insurance which probably in the end would be more expensive than medicare, so actually, you would just move from here to here and you might even increase the deficit. >> interesting point, but i still find it a little bit hard to believe. when you say we don't have to make substantive change to a program that's going to consume all of our federal spending if we keep going the way we're going, we do need to make substantial changes. it's going to hurt. >> i didn't say that. i'm part of the quality health care coalition. we want to move to out space medicine. we want every state to be as efficient as my state and 16 other states who provide care at about the third of the cost of florida and fourth of the cost of new york. we need to rationalize the system across the country and go to those states that are wasting a bumpbl of money and make them more efficient providers. we need to negotiate the prescription drug prices saving a quarter of a trillion dollars and you know, we need to reig
they'd have to go to the obama exchanges and with low incomes and get subsidies there to buy private insurance which probably in the end would be more expensive than medicare, so actually, you would just move from here to here and you might even increase the deficit. >> interesting point, but i still find it a little bit hard to believe. when you say we don't have to make substantive change to a program that's going to consume all of our federal spending if we keep going the way we're...
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republicans have put some proposals on the table moving in barack obama's direction. i don't know exactly the game tim geithner was playing yesterday and thank you, erin, for getting some of this math right. when he came up with yesterday was $4 of new tacks for every dollar of spending cut, that's when john boehner simply said we're nowhere an that's where they are now, but there's 30 days. >> ethan, don't the republicans if they want to break this stalemate, maybe what the president's doing is saying these are the cuts i want to make, so guys, why don't you come up with the rest? >> i don't think that's really a fair criticism. republicans have passed the budget that paul ryan pugt together. now, you may not agree with that budget, but it does outline specific cuts. republicans are on the record for those and would probably say here's our list of cuts, mr. president. what's your list? >> the president has other things he may not have included. say they take it from paul ryan's budget, but don't they owe him a list? >> they do and they haven't really provided one. th
republicans have put some proposals on the table moving in barack obama's direction. i don't know exactly the game tim geithner was playing yesterday and thank you, erin, for getting some of this math right. when he came up with yesterday was $4 of new tacks for every dollar of spending cut, that's when john boehner simply said we're nowhere an that's where they are now, but there's 30 days. >> ethan, don't the republicans if they want to break this stalemate, maybe what the president's...
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norquist refers to him, obama -- president obama has done something mr. norquist has never done in his life and that's get people to vote for him. so i would also remind mr. norquist who conveniently forgets that president clinton raised taxes on the wealthy and created 22 million jobs. president bush cut taxes on the wealthy and created 1 million jobs. so his economic expertise is a little behind here. but the truth of the matter is, everybody voted in this election, the president said he would raise taxes on people earning over $250,000. that's what he's going to do. that's what's going to happen. he has the authority of an election behind him. running for office is a difficult thing to do, and the people that win the elections have a lot more moral authority in a democracy than people who talk about elections. >> ryan, that does seem to be the point. people like grover norquist may not like it and republicans may not like it, but that wasn't what this election said american people want. the majority of them. >> i think it's certainly true you have a la
norquist refers to him, obama -- president obama has done something mr. norquist has never done in his life and that's get people to vote for him. so i would also remind mr. norquist who conveniently forgets that president clinton raised taxes on the wealthy and created 22 million jobs. president bush cut taxes on the wealthy and created 1 million jobs. so his economic expertise is a little behind here. but the truth of the matter is, everybody voted in this election, the president said he...
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revenue has gone up every year of the obama administration and now, we're at historic highs. the same as we were five years ago. the difference is, our spending has increased a trillion dollars. >> yeah, but a lot of that spending is things to help the economy. it's the payroll tax cut extension, which your party supported. it's extending unemployment benefits. it's things like that. t the war. >> that's going to be the challenge of the whole perspective. we've got two philosophies. one says we're spending too much. the other saying we're not spending enough. that's hurting our economy. obviously, the last four years have been more focused on the spending. we continue to pile up more and more debt, we've crossed 100% of debt to gdp. >> but you're line of thinking, the tax side, so we end up spending more thanks to democrats and the country is going to a worst place. >> the context is really important on this. in 2003 when tax rates were brought down. and then in 2010, we were still in a bad place, the president and democrats said the economy's weak, we can't raise taxing on a
revenue has gone up every year of the obama administration and now, we're at historic highs. the same as we were five years ago. the difference is, our spending has increased a trillion dollars. >> yeah, but a lot of that spending is things to help the economy. it's the payroll tax cut extension, which your party supported. it's extending unemployment benefits. it's things like that. t the war. >> that's going to be the challenge of the whole perspective. we've got two philosophies....
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barack obama won, so they liked hillary clinton. if hillary clinton had won in 2008, you would hear lots of republicans saying, none of this would be happening if that idealistic barack obama had won instead. if hillary clinton is the nominee in 2016, this will be an election decided by three or four percentage points. it will not be a 57/30 election. >> it always tightens. i'm curious about the other side since you're talking about 2008. marco rubio and paul ryan both spoke at this dinner and they were -- these were speeches where they're trying to define themselves as who they are. both probably going to run in 2016. how would a rubio/ryan stack up against a hillary clinton? in a sense it sort of feels like 2008 reversed, right, except for experience would come on the democratic side with hillary and the youth and this sort of idealism might perhaps come from a rubio or ryan on the republican side? >> well, if i look at that poll you were referring to, hillary clinton is the overwhelming favorite among young people, especially you
barack obama won, so they liked hillary clinton. if hillary clinton had won in 2008, you would hear lots of republicans saying, none of this would be happening if that idealistic barack obama had won instead. if hillary clinton is the nominee in 2016, this will be an election decided by three or four percentage points. it will not be a 57/30 election. >> it always tightens. i'm curious about the other side since you're talking about 2008. marco rubio and paul ryan both spoke at this...
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>>> "outfront" next, president obama visited a toy factory today. and while everyone in washington is acting rather childish about the fiscal cliff, this is not child's play. 33 days left. and the u.s. ambassador to the u.n., susan rice, facing new scrutiny today from democrats. this time about her personal investments. and the number of drones has surged. the newest versions, though, pretty incredible. they look like a cheetah and a fish. let's go "outfront." >>> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, hey, washington stop playing battleship. yes. battleship. we went out and bought it because we wanted to remind you, the kids game where the goal is, i'll read it, can you sink your opponent's fleet before your opponent sinks yours? pretty perfect. this fiscal cliff though is not child's play. it's just 33 days away and today, president obama's visit to a toy factory in pennsylvania had everyone acting a bit childish. >> i've been keeping my own naughty and nice lists. >> we're not interesting in playing rope a dope. >> i wasn't
>>> "outfront" next, president obama visited a toy factory today. and while everyone in washington is acting rather childish about the fiscal cliff, this is not child's play. 33 days left. and the u.s. ambassador to the u.n., susan rice, facing new scrutiny today from democrats. this time about her personal investments. and the number of drones has surged. the newest versions, though, pretty incredible. they look like a cheetah and a fish. let's go "outfront."...
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but tom cole urged republicans to take the obama deal right now. here is the clip quickly. >> my view, we all agree that we're not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000, we should take them out of this discussion right now, and continue to fight against any rate increases and continue to work honestly for a better deal. >> that's what the president wants, extend them for everyone under $250,000. i'm curious what you think. do you think that someone like cornyn, someone like boehner is the right leader for the party, or someone more like what cole is saying? >> there is a strategy to putting together a deal and that goes for, in washington, d.c. or, you know, in your private life. and that is you don't give the other side everything they want and then negotiate the rest of the deal. that's sort of a problem. you have things that they want, things that you want and you have to sort of bring them together and force people to give things that they don't want in order to get the things that they do. and when you give the folks the
but tom cole urged republicans to take the obama deal right now. here is the clip quickly. >> my view, we all agree that we're not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000, we should take them out of this discussion right now, and continue to fight against any rate increases and continue to work honestly for a better deal. >> that's what the president wants, extend them for everyone under $250,000. i'm curious what you think. do you think that someone like cornyn,...
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revenue has gone up every single year in the obama administration, and now we're at historic highs. the difference is our spending increased a trillion dollars from five years ago, but the revenue is the same. >> a lot of that spending is things to help the economy, right? it's the payroll tax cut extension, which your party supported, right? it's extending unemployment benefits and things like that. it's the war. >> right. that's going to be the challenge of the whole perspective right now. we have two philosophies. one is saying we're spending too much and the other is saying we don't spend enough. obviously the last four years are spending more to stimulate. i'm not sure if that will work long-term. we've crossed 100% of debt to gdp. i don't think that gets better as you get higher. >> the only thing that confuses me about it, i feel like in a situation where all you do is keep cutting taxes and have a revenue problem, right? you give a tax cut to the middle class you don't want it to take it away from them. you keep giving out things p and you never take them back. >> well, that
revenue has gone up every single year in the obama administration, and now we're at historic highs. the difference is our spending increased a trillion dollars from five years ago, but the revenue is the same. >> a lot of that spending is things to help the economy, right? it's the payroll tax cut extension, which your party supported, right? it's extending unemployment benefits and things like that. it's the war. >> right. that's going to be the challenge of the whole perspective...
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how that changes president obama's stance on a possible intervention. john boehner offered up his own plan to avoid the fiscal cliff today. does it add up? and the u.s. ambassador to the united nations comes under fire again. this time, it's over ra wwanda. let's go "outfront." evening, welcome, everybody. i'm soledad o'brien. breaking news. president obama puts the syrian president bashar al assad on notice. the president is reacting to new notice that the regime is mixing with chemicals to make deadly gas. and today, i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is an would be totally unacceptable. and if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable. >> assad is on the edge of president obama's so-called red line against syria. the president said the summer that syria's use or movement of chemical weapons could mean u.s. intervention, so "outfront" tonight, barbara starr. how exactly clear is the evidence in
how that changes president obama's stance on a possible intervention. john boehner offered up his own plan to avoid the fiscal cliff today. does it add up? and the u.s. ambassador to the united nations comes under fire again. this time, it's over ra wwanda. let's go "outfront." evening, welcome, everybody. i'm soledad o'brien. breaking news. president obama puts the syrian president bashar al assad on notice. the president is reacting to new notice that the regime is mixing with...